I like to believe people are more complex than that

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Liking an idea and that idea being the reality are not the same. Aside from studies done, porn stars, strippers, and webcam models are rolling in it for a reason.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

your post says to get anything from a man is through sex appeal and superficial qualities, but other studies have shown that these factors aren't enough ultimately, other factors play a huge role in what people do I also don't agree with women being devious for that matter

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'd be interested in seeing these studies. I'm doubting their existence.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

it was in my textbook about Everyday Living you can also look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs.png

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Not a very good source. You should check out some scientific studies. This isn't exactly my point, but it's pretty telling. "Pretty people" get hired more often, statistics show. That definitely says something about our society and how much we base on outward appearances. http://scienceblog.com/14974/who-knew-good-looking-people-get-better-jobs/

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I edited my comment to add a pyramid also, the textbook was a good source or else the uni wouldn't have allowed it in the curriculum the textbook also said attractive people are more likely to get the job, be found not guilty on trial, etc. I never disagreed with that I'll repeat what I'm disagreeing with "your post says to get anything from a man is through sex appeal and superficial qualities, but other studies have shown that these factors aren't enough ultimately, other factors play a huge role in what people do I also don't agree with women being devious for that matter" if an attractive person does a bad job, he/she is eventually gonna get fired I'm saying that there are other factors and that attractiveness is not the only one

by Anonymous 11 years ago

No, it isn't the only one, but it is the main one. If you wear a low cut shirt to an interview, you're probably getting the job if it's a male interviewer. That's the point. Getting things with sex appeal over someone else who doesn't have that. Whether they can actually do the job is completely irrelevant.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Who would be more likely to make a higher salary or a promotion, a woman who wears a low cut shirt or a male? Probably the male. Did they get the higher salary from their male boss because of sex appeal? Probably not. Hence, sex appeal does not always get you what you want. There have been numerous studies on women making lower salaries than men.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

if people are too forward in an interview, they won't be chosen because the interviewer assumes that this can cause a lot of problems down the road

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of nowhere.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

are you saying that this person would be chosen? I saw it on the Tyra Show

by Anonymous 11 years ago

First of all, you said interview which one can not be fired from. Second of all, you didn't even specify what you mean by being too "forward" in an interview leading me to fill in the blanks myself. If being too forward is a low cut shirt and a short skirt, no I do not think the first thing on a male interviewers mind would be "Gee, she's going to make trouble...I shouldn't hire her".

by Anonymous 11 years ago

yeah on the Tyra Show (she aired clips of this interview/experiment) they got these subjects to go to an interview the interviewers thought that these subjects were in for a legit interview there was this one subject that made suggestive comments about the interviewers body or something and he, the interviewer, didn't pick her, the subject he said that she wasn't professional in her conduct and he didn't want trouble in his workplace professional conduct and qualifications > attractiveness

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I mean I see your point, but I don't see why you're making it because I never insinuated I disagreed that being pretty doesn't get you everything. I would say it gives you a large advantage that you can still mess up.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I see what you mean while I agree with a few of the things you commented I don't agree with the post in general I feel like it stereotypes people inaccurately maybe it seems true to you based on your observations but my observations go a different way

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well I didn't mean all of anyone, clearly our society is diverse. Statistically speaking everyone can't be like that, but it is a huge number of men, because if it wasn't, the industries I previously mentioned wouldn't be thriving the way they are.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You said "studies have even...my opinion". You present to us only one study. Reviewing the study, the experiment was entirely based on the interviewers seeing photographs of interviewees. That was the only basis used for deciding who to hire. When you nothing about their qualifications, you're more than likely to choose someone who you would like to be around. You also say 9 times out of 10. What butt did you pull that statistic out of? Then you mention cause and effect. The only way this would apply is if a woman resorts to this tactic, the tactic works, then she concludes that this is how I get what I want. Your facts/studies/observations do not warrant such a conclusion to be lept to. If you have more on this that you would like to present, I'd be open to reading it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's funny how in that comment there were stars before the word stars.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

This is idiotic. Hundreds of commercials have flimsily dressed models trying to push their product on me but I don't go out there and buy every stupid thing just because there was a pretty face attatched. As for using sexuality to get what you want in your personal life, let me be the first to say that I hope your future boyfriend finds someone who won't treat him like a donkey with a carrot on a stick.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

"Cut the ****, guys. We all like attractive people more and will treat them more favorably." Haha, perfect.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

just because people treat/like attractive people better doesn't mean that those attractive people will get //everything// they want or that the only way to persuade people is through attractiveness people have been persuading people with their words for years and years

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Actually in response to my comment it is not perfect. Try reading again and coming up with a valid arguement.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Nah I got it the first time. You completely dodge the point. So you won't run out and buy something with a pretty face on it...how that's related to the fact that we, and men especially, favor attractive people and treat them differently I am unsure.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It is related because //your// point was that the way to get things from men is sex appeal. As for the point that men treat attractive people differently, I never said anything to the opposite. I merely pointed out that if you are using sex appeal in your personal life to get things from men then I feel sorry for the people you are abusing.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm pointing out the same men complaining about a certain type of women are contributing, all the sudden I apply this tidbit to my own personal life? Talk about assumptions. I've realized this because of the very opposite, honestly. Which would be I found I was treated differently in different outfits, that I am primarily judged by the way I look instead of as a human being who is unique and not just a women with ****. Thanks for the judgement though.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I was never assuming that you did this, I said //if// you did this I would feel bad for the people you would be abusing. Assumptions are flying both ways in this arguement.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I wish the common trend in this thread wasn't that I like my realization or that I'm some flaming feminist who hates men. I just found it incredibly unfair for men, not in their entirety, to treat and view women in this manner and to then complain when women use it to their advantage.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There's a point we can both agree on.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

That's not even relevant to their comment.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

"This is idiotic. Hundreds of commercials have flimsily dressed models trying to push their product on me but I don't go out there and buy every stupid thing just because there was a pretty face attatched."

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Quoting what he said doesn't make it relevant. Treating an attractive person better=/=buying products because an attractive person is selling them.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Whoa, what? That is retarded. No, I'm sorry. Buying a product with some random person on the box does not equal treating attractive people better. Giving them a job over an ugly person is literally treating them better. It's like he's trying to say, no way I don't buy stuff just because someone is pretty! Like that was my entire point. Ridiculous. We naturally favor pretty people. That's the point. In various ways, not just buying stuff because they are on the box. How is this so difficult to understand.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You know what's retarded? Thinking =/= means something is equal when it means the exact opposite. Even without knowing that specifically, you could use context clues- why would I say what you said is irrelevant then say the the thing you said and the thing they said are the same thing?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

≠ The actual sign is a lot more obscure.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Cut the bullshit, guys. We all like attractive people more and will treat them more favorably. Someone made the stupid statement that if an attractive person does a poor job, they will be fired. No fucking shit. That applies to everyone. The question is, if 2 women do an equally poor job, would the more attractive one be fired? The answer is no.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

if you read through that thread you'll see that I said I know that attractive people are more likely to be hired, be found not guilty on trial, etc. I never disagreed with that I'm disagreeing that attractiveness is in //only// factor that plays a role

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Which he pointed how was a moot point, because I never said it was the only factor, I said it was the main one. Also, more liklier? What university are you going to that doesn't require basic knowledge of the English language?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

that was a typo obviously attacking my grammar doesn't prove your point and your post said to get ANYTHING from a man is by sexual appeal which is false so that doesn't make my point moot

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It was a general statement you're trying to make specific. It's kind of hard to take someone seriously who can't even communicate in their own language properly.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I make one typo and now I can't communicate properly? that's a bit of an exaggeration when you used the term //anything//, I focused less on the generality of the post

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Well, bad choice of wording I suppose. I did include "Generally speaking" for a reason. To avoid this.

by Anonymous 11 years ago