Citizenship should require passing all components of the US Naturalization Test even for those born in the US. amirite?

Anyone who runs for public office should be required to take this test -and pass it - before they can be sworn in.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Based

by ruthiebailey 1 day ago

Can I intentionally fail the test to avoid paying taxes for the rest of my life? No taxation without representation and all that.

by robeljanet 1 day ago

Non citizens still have to pay taxes

by Anonymous 1 day ago

loads cannon with revolutionary intent

by Edward59 1 day ago

Fixes bayonet "Tally ho lads"

by Edward59 1 day ago

So you're not going to fix your bayonet to fight taxation without representation? What was the weapon imagery for, then?

by heath34 1 day ago

For memes.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Very true. Our core moral set which is still taught in schools is, unfortunately, not the actual standard within our laws. We're also a nation built by immigration, but some folks get mad when you point that out.

by heath34 1 day ago

We're also a nation built by immigration, but some folks get mad when you point that out Accurate. Very much

by Anonymous 1 day ago

This is just a protest slogan, my dude. Do you think that felons, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants and working teens should not have to pay taxes?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

That right is only granted to citizens friend.

by Cathrinesatterf 1 day ago

What taxes would you not have to pay? Where I live the 3 major taxation buckets are sales tax, property tax, and state/federal income tax. None of those have anything to do with citizenship. If you're buying things, living somewhere, and working, you're paying taxes.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Voting isn't the only benefit of taxation...

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Ok but you also have to give up schools, roads, police, fire dept. etc

by Longjumping-Cod-3720 1 day ago

Why? Those things aren't restricted for people who also don't pay taxes.

by robeljanet 1 day ago

If nobody paid taxes we wouldn't have those things

by Longjumping-Cod-3720 1 day ago

Separate argument. You are saying that if the person did not pay taxes they would have to give up schools, roads, and police. But right now if someone calls the police or their house is burning down, they still show up. They don't check to see if that person is paying their taxes.

by robeljanet 1 day ago

If they were not paying their taxes, they'd go to jail. In other words, it's currently assumed that people are paying their taxes. It's not something you can opt out of.

by Shania84 1 day ago

But they still don't give up police, fire, roads, etc when not paying taxes.

by robeljanet 1 day ago

Of course they do. Good luck using the services of police, fire, roads etc. while in prison.

by Shania84 1 day ago

You mean to say that every single person outside of prison is paying taxes right now?

by robeljanet 1 day ago

Because enough people pay taxes currently to fund those services, albeit not sufficiently

by Longjumping-Cod-3720 1 day ago

I would imagine in this hypothetical a lot of people would choose to not pay taxes and it would tank revenue. It would never work

by Longjumping-Cod-3720 1 day ago

Should be.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Home schooling is on the rise, the roads arent maintained well enough to justify that, the police suck. The only real value is the fire department and thats not something they can pick and choose what to save simply because fire spreads.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Not being able to use any roads would be seriously debilitating.

by Klockocedrick 1 day ago

They cant actually enforce the roads part. Cops would need to be present EVERYWHERE and honestly if people didnt pay taxes the states couldnt afford the cops for it

by Anonymous 1 day ago

You realize that cars require registration and inspection stickers and such, right? In this hypothetical where you couldn't get those, you'd be caught eventually

by Anonymous 1 day ago

You know you can drive a car without an inspection, license plate, registration, or a license right? Its literally a skill.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Not getting into an accident includes a lot of luck too.

by Klockocedrick 1 day ago

Sure. Next you'll say that some people cheat on their taxes without getting caught.

by Klockocedrick 1 day ago

What about someone with a disability that can't answer these questions? They can never become citizens?

by augusta72 1 day ago

I was the only one to pass that test in my high school government class. The instructor even said before we took it that most would fail. So sure! Lets do your idea OP and kick out 99% of the population.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

This would be like the Jim Crowe literacy tests. The poor deserve an equal voice. Otherwise republicans current tactic of dumbing down Americans by getting rid of the department of education and expanding private schools to defund public schools would be an even more effective strategy.

by Ok-Travel-8729 23 hours ago

What OP is suggesting is EXACTLY what they did to black people to prevent them from voting. This kind of talk is pulling up the ladder after they've gotten theirs. I'm willing to bet OP would fail the test himself. Does OP know how many seats are in the House vs the Senate? Does he know key dates in our country's history? Some of the questions on those are TOUGH. My Econ teacher passed one around class for demonstration once and MOST couldn't pass it. Confusing wording, obscure questions, etc.

by edison26 23 hours ago

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP. All jokes aside, as an immigrant who will need to take this test in ~3 years, I think a lot of people don't understand the journey that you I had to go through (and still am going through) to become a permanent resident and then a citizen. And this is part of it. It's ok. I choose to do this.

by Anonymous 23 hours ago

I'd like to know more

by Anonymous 23 hours ago

How can a citizenship test be done for those born in the US? You have birthright citizenship. Your suggestion requires a constitutional amendment.

by Anonymous 23 hours ago

This has been proposed since at least Plato and Aristotle, and it's never stuck. The citizenship system in Rome in particular drove significant inequality and conflict.

by Lesly00 22 hours ago

Ah yes, let's bring back poll testing because that's never been used to discriminate and marginalize before. /s

by Hot-Yard-6574 22 hours ago

I already passed those tests in high school. In the school system I was in, the Constitution test was a requirement to graduate.

by gayfriesen 22 hours ago

I totally get where you're coming from, but this is ridiculous. Birthright citizenship being in the Constitution aside, what happens if you fail? Does someone become stateless? Would they continue to have the right to live in the US? What about the people under 18? Are they just not citizens until they can pass the test?

by Equivalent_Night8715 22 hours ago

Why wouldn't they have indefinite length penal colonies that keep them doing prison labor with no rights until a deportation agreement can be worked out with the NULL government? /s

by Anonymous 22 hours ago

People can fuk right off with this. I was born here and do my part to work and pay taxes.

by ethajacobson 21 hours ago

If you think that would have given us a different result earlier this month, I think you might've been disappointed. The way people make political decisions and form their values is often just completely divorced from the being able to answer why the flag has thirteen stripes, for example. Theoretically, I think we can imagine how a meritocratic technocracy, or even a monarchy, could be more effective, efficient, and better at protecting rights than a democracy. And it's true that democracy can be an absolutely terrible form of government. But it is better than all the other ones we've tried so far.

by Gloomy_Purple7877 21 hours ago

Yeah, that totally wouldn't lead to problems.

by daytonkassulke 21 hours ago

And make military service a condition of citizenship. So that if you volunteer to go fight space bugs on other planets you become a citizen and then... oh wait, that's Starship Troopers.

by Anonymous 21 hours ago

I'm doing my part!

by Anonymous 20 hours ago

I get why this is unpopular but I also appreciate the intent here. Would be nice if the people who've filled their personal lives with poor decisions could be excluded from making decisions that affect the broad population.

by Familiar-Project 20 hours ago

Oooh boo, tests for voting rights. Say that again into the mic

by Anonymous 20 hours ago

Genuine question. What exactly happens to people born here that do not pass?

by SignaturePale5005 20 hours ago

So we will have maybe 100 citizens?

by Anonymous 20 hours ago

I can see your point but that's not going to happen. It takes all levels of smartness to run a country. 84.13% of the population has an IQ below 115, 90.88% has an IQ below 120. To be accepted into military service, the usual lower limit is between 110 to 120. Anything below that, it's worth the time to train you. I'm MOST cases, someone with an IQ of 160 isn't going to have much job satisfaction working a cash register. Who's going to be left in the country.

by Olen76 19 hours ago

I agree. The test should be passed if you're white, male, and own property.

by Anonymous 19 hours ago

Because the US has an extremely dark history with similar tests used to oppress minorities, particularly in the Jim Crow era South, and that citizenship tests like this have always lead to massive inequality, like was was seen in Rome for example.

by dashawnkris 18 hours ago