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"You'd feel differently if it was your family member" isn't a valid take, amirite?
by Anonymous4 months ago
It's supposed to be illustrative, to make you pause and think, well, they're someone's family member, and consider that. If it doesn't work on you, it doesn't work on you.
by Anonymous4 months ago
That's exactly why it's useless, it's an appeal to emotion. If you had to choose between your mother and 10 random strangers to die, most people would choose the 10 strangers even if it's obviously the morally worse option. So if you can't think objectively when it comes to your family, what's the point of the comparison?
by Anonymous4 months ago
So then it is valid to show the choice you'd obviously make. Basically apply this to abortion. Republicans say to ban them in all forms, even to the point where the mothers life is at risk. Until they get a daughter that's life would be ruined by the baby. Then suddenly an abortion is justified, and they'd be furious if disallowed because it's something that needs to get done. So the reasoning is that you then DON'T actually want it banned. It's asking you to apply the same reasoning and justifications you give only yourself and your family to others.
by Anonymous4 months ago
It's emotional manipulation. Most people wouldn't snitch on a family member who commits murder, doesn't make it a valid argument to not snitch on murderers.
by Anonymous4 months ago
You should snitch on the murderer to give peace to the victim's family because that's what you would want if your family member was the one murdered and you were the victim's family.
by Grimesoceane4 months ago
But they wouldn't snitch on them if it was their family member, just following the train of logic
by Anonymous4 months ago
They should snitch on them even if it were a family member out of compassion for the victim's family members, because that's what they would want if they were the victim's family members. Using this logic still leads you to the ethical conclusion.
by Grimesoceane4 months ago
It more often leads to the ethical or generous conclusion and you haven't yet procured a single case where it leads clearly to the unethical one.
by Grimesoceane4 months ago
It's trying to get people to be empathetic.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Through emotional manipulation…
by Anonymous4 months ago
It's not emotional manipulation, it's an appeal to your emotions. Trying to make something relatable so you can actually make the right decision isn't manipulation, it's an attempt to make you snap out of the tunnel vision. If that is manipulation then every interaction toye have can be classified as manipulation.
by Anonymous4 months ago
How do you know? Most people don't have murderers as family members haha
by Anonymous4 months ago
Observation. How many parents have you seen defending their children who were literally witnessed committing crimes saying "he was a good boy, he wouldn't do something like this"?
by Anonymous4 months ago
Depends on the crime. I don't think it's bad to have a compassionate approach to our justice processes when applicable. You first example was too extreme and niche
by Anonymous4 months ago
A knee jerk reaction would be denial, it's a way for your mind to protect itself from a mental whiplash. If the denial and defence continues after a certain period, I'd consider it malicious or willful.
by Anonymous4 months ago
I would MOST definitely snitch on a family member if they hurt someone.
by Anonymous4 months ago
"Of course we would—" So it IS a valid take.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Honestly it's hilarious how fast OP undermined themselves. I'm assuming what they really mean by "it's not a valid take" is that is was effectively used against them and caused cognitive dissonance
by YouCrafty61784 months ago
No it isn't, because I hold my close ones to a different standard; same for the behavior towards them. I would feel bad if my parents went broke (even if it's their fault), but I don't care if it's a random person. And I certainly don't want to help that random person after they gambled their money.
by Anonymous4 months ago
That's exactly why it's a valid take.
by Anonymous4 months ago
I wouldn't snitch on my mom if I found out she killed someone and had to cover it up. Does that make it a valid take that I shouldn't snitch on someone else murdering someone because I wouldn't rat out my mom?
by Anonymous4 months ago
What kinda gotcha do you think that is?.
by Anonymous4 months ago
A pretty good one based on the fact that you had no other response to it. How good of a deflection did you think this was?
by Anonymous4 months ago
No that just makes you dumb . If it was in self defense no reason to hide it. But if it was cold blooded murder yea no. What about the family of the person she killed?.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Then it's a mistake and better to own up to it now rather then get found out and much more trouble late.
by Anonymous4 months ago
No it's not if you cover it up for your mom. "If" they find out is the key.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Do you hear yourself?
by Anonymous4 months ago
They're justifying covering up murder. Incredible. Has to be a troll.
by Anonymous4 months ago
It's not the hardest thing to wrap your head around that someone would protect their family no matter what, even if my mom killed someone and was at fault I would still help her cover it up because she's my mom
by Moist-Top-27644 months ago
Then you are a bad person. What about that person's loved one? The child that's all alone now?. The spouse that's disappeared.
by Anonymous4 months ago
I didn't say it made me a good person, I said what I'd do to protect my family. I don't have a time machine I can't fix the situation all I can do is what I can do
by Moist-Top-27644 months ago
By this logic they should be thinking "would I snitch on them if it was my family member? Probably not"
by Anonymous4 months ago
If you didn't snitch on a murderer would assume you could easily murder someone too.
by Anonymous4 months ago
I absolutely would turn in one of my family members if they murdered somebody for any reason other than self-defense or pure accident.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Tell me you don't understand or have empathy without telling me…
by Glad-Maintenance4 months ago
So you are saying its okay when people say "Well my family is an exception and they wouldn't suffer but everyone else should"? People say "You would feel different if it was your family" when someone is proposing some harmful vindictive side that would affect their family.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Fundamental misunderstanding of the word "empathy." You're not experiencing empathy if your entire awareness of other people is how their existence interacts with and affects you.
by Anonymous4 months ago
I disagree, we're supposed to be looking out for each other so if we practiced it more we'd make better decisions as a whole
by Anonymous4 months ago
I mean yeah I think that's true at times too, but I do think people can be quite illogical when it comes to their own loved ones
by Anonymous4 months ago
Exactly when its my family i'll come to emotional conclusions instead of logical ones. Should we put 10 mountain rescues personal at extreme danger to get someone off a mountain who is likely already dead? no. Oh its my kid who is lost? well now the answer is yes.
by Anonymous4 months ago
So you're saying a more valid expression is "I would be fine being treated that way as no strangers should help me."
by Anonymous4 months ago
If something bad happened to certain family members, I'd throw a party! ...so yeah, definitely different, but not in the way they'd expect
by Anonymous4 months ago
Yeah, most people take it too far with that stuff. If my family member was hurt, obviously I'd want justice, but if my family member hurt someone, I'd defend them, that's just human nature.
by Anonymous4 months ago
If my family member hurt someone, not in self defense and not for a reason like SAing their kid or something. Then no, I would not defend them at all. Even if it was my own child. I'd still love them but, just like anyone else, you deal with the consequences of your own actions.
by Hefty-Antelope-16474 months ago
Well aren't you a goody two-shoes
by Anonymous4 months ago
When it's your family, yes. Most people would help their family bury a body without asking if it was justified first.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Empathy is reacting for other people the way you'd react if something happened to you. You just lack well developed empathy.
by malinda194 months ago
In most of the worlds judicial systems, we pick impartial parties to give a sentence, either a judge or a jury of randomly selected people, because the world can't function on the basis of deeply personal grievances. I agree with you.
by Anonymous4 months ago
🙄🙄
by Trantowmaryjane4 months ago
Also sometimes they wouldnt. Plenty of people dont
by Anonymous4 months ago
There are many societies whose cultures allow or encourage different sets of rules based on familial relations. But you probably wouldn't want to live in most of them.
by lucindaschmeler4 months ago
Agree, ofcourse I can be more objective when my loved ones are not involved.
by Cronafloyd4 months ago
Nimbyism in a nutshell.
by Anonymous4 months ago
Empathy is putting yourself in their shoes and understanding their pov not yourself putting yourself in their shoes with your pov
by Anonymous4 months ago
Get over yourself, it's a take that is supposed to make you put yourself in their shoes and be more empathetic, if someone is saying that to you, you aren't considering the hard reality they are going through
by Douglasbradly4 months ago
So you prefer no one that you're blood related to come to your aid if you're ever in trouble? Because by this logic, you're not their family. So they shouldn't care about you.
by Kreigermose4 months ago
You're so close to the point
by Aware_Lengthiness4 months ago
You are so close to understanding empathy.
by Anonymous4 months ago
So that big paragraph just to say you have no empathy? Ok
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